Thanks to both BoTE and Lafein for your thought-provoking posts. In all the discussions I have been in over UR I know that it really comes down to that: how we process the question of the Problem of Evil theodicy or as you put it trying to solve it and how it is that trying to do so gets us into the most trouble.
Davidbo, thanks for the link. Or maybe I could find a way to do video. But first things first, to mark off of my list…. I started writing a rap response, haha. It just kept flowing, but it still needs some work to get the rhythm right, and I may add some more before the beginning, who knows:. Needs major work, haha.
But at least the flow of ideas makes sense and perhaps packs some powerful punches. I think this modern mode of communication can be so powerful ie. In other words the cross could do nothing and would mean nothing without the resurrection.
I re-read his poem…it is completely absent. According to the book we abandoned the resurrection as our symbol around in favor of the cross as our symbol.
I think it is interesting that Bethke, a Calvinist who believes in ECT, left out the resurrection while Stellar wrote:. Although after reading this book I would now suggest perhaps more references to the resurrection in your rap poem Stellar! This sounds like a really interesting book. This is, I understand, attested to in the art found in Christian catacombs of the period. Symbols such as the fish, an anchor and Jesus as the shepherd were commonplace, but the cross appeared not at all.
Along with Alex, I think modern and not so modern! Indeed, I reckon the vast majority of Christians accept PS without question. Capon is, in my opinion, a brilliant theologian and a brilliant and very funny writer. We're saying, 'world, we're not perfect, but we know a perfect God and we want you to know him as well.
According to Bethke, his main message to young Christians struggling with feelings of distrust and hate for the church is to not let events of the past "blind or block your view of what the church is saying. Return to the Scripture and trust that God knows best. The Tacoma, Wash.
However, the video may have struck a chord that he was not ready to strike — regarding 20 years of pent up generational separation. Regardless, the answer to whether he would change something if he had it to do over is "yes and no. I don't want people to ever close their ears to the message I'm trying to portray of Jesus just because I used some type of strategy," Bethke said. If I were to use those words that I said were synonymous with religion instead, I don't think it would have done what it did.
Bethke, a self-described "messed up dude addicted to grace," says he is just trying to make Jesus famous. I think St. Augustine said it: 'You cannot find rest, you cannot find joy until you find your joy and rest in Jesus. Consider, people love to praise the virtue of the golden rule, reap what you say, karma, what goes around comes around and so on, but do unto to others as you would have done unto you, tends to devolve into do unto to others as is done to you. An eye for eye and a tooth for a tooth, WOAH!!!
Suggest this and prepare for a lynching, yet isn't this merely a negative expression of doing unto others as you would have done to you though frowned upon besuace there are better ways. And there are, but when those other ways fail, well Oh a side note to apparently an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth meant no more than an eye for an eye or a tooth for a tooth, which makes it quite logical. I forgot to confirm it with the person who told me, a Philosophy lecturer but it did seem quite convenient, but I keep forgetting to get around to it.
Can anyone shed light on this? Thanks for your posting. Nevertheless, I sang the hymns, recited various Creeds with the utmost reverence, but without qualifications or introspection. It was just the way things were… I thought.
I am reading the Upanishads… for fun! I find spiritual fulfillment in walking through a park or reading any good book. Many of the teachings of Jesus still inspire me deeply… far more than the melodramas and tasteless wafers which have followed. We try to keep it simple, but will encourage them when they get a bit older to explore the faiths of the world and decide for themselves.
Keep searching and asking! Notice the stars at night and imagine how vast everything is… listen to the works of the master musicians and read the words of the authors you revere and know that only through questioning and discernment were they able to bring creativity to work.
Most of all, listen to yourself. You speak the truth to you. I just tuhgoht you should know, that you're not alone. As a christian I struggle having to hear the bad name some people give to other christians.
Not only is it annoying a lot of the time but it's also very discouraging. I'm glad that you mention you don't think all christians are haters or judgemental. I don't ever want to be that way. I'd like to apologize for the people that stray from the true meaning of christianity. I know most of them are ignorant or cruel but some have truly just forgotten God's message and have made it into whatever fits them at the time.
Maybe one day they'll remember what christianity is supposed to be. How can: Because people used the Bible to justify the housewife position, women only existed to serve their husbands and procreate. Then the Bible was used to defend slavery. There are extensive topics regarding the subject, all pointing to the absolute obedience of a slave to his master. White supremacy ruled over our nation and churches did nothing to stop the vast injustice.
Well first of all they're not truly godly and it's kind of like what happened to David when he slept with another man's wife. He forgot about God for a moment and everything fell apartI thank you for not being predjudiced against christians as i hear a lot about how terrible of a thing christianity is now a days.
Maybe the world that God imagined will happen someday. That'll be when everyone loves their neighbor as their self. Its not the golden rule for nothing XD. Posted on Maybe wvinaeg the strips next time instead of sewing them?? And then sewing a strip around the edges for a type of piping.
I agree with Marge: if it's a success with your kid, then it's not a craftfail. I have some hideous pillows that I made out of old t-shirts. Note to self: dayglo orange and purple are NOT a good combination.
My daughter loves to sleep with them because the shirts are worn and super soft. Thank goodness it's dark in her room. I love to hear the preaching of JosephPrince.
Did you know that Satan is probably well versed on theology but he is still the devil? Theology is merely book work if it is not tied to actions and the heart. They have forgiven me, I think…:. I had not seen that, Ted. He reminds me of a small man that once lived and was exhiled to a small island.
I think MD would look quite a bit like this dictator of old if he tried on the hat. And one of the goals is for men to get their wives to have sex with them at least once a day. And Paul never said it is better to remain single I suppose. And he had to use a veterans gravesite to dramatize his video.
This guy is sick. He reminds me of the old traveling salesman who would show up at the door with their suitcase of wares and slick-Willy smiles. They are not the same thing! Absolutely beyond horrible. I had to check out the church website.
God have mercy, and I pray God that you bring that young man out of the cult and back to a right relationship with you and into an actual church. Bridget Let me tell you of a church plant in Texas while I was there. Charles Swindoll decided to start a church in Frisco Tx, part of the Dallas sprawl. He planted it within easy access and opened the first day to thousands of people. Except, they ere all from other churches. He got his church and devastated a few because they could not compete with him.
No salvation-merely shifting the sheep with the money to his church. I lost some respect for him during that. Thanks Amy. The church my family member was a part of became an actual satellite campus of Mars Hill. Amy I am very suspect of the churches who join and sign in on this network.
We wrote a post about their bizarre take on Masculine love. Did anyone notice the contract called for details about his sexual sins? I am sickened beyond what I thought possible. On the one hand, he says in the summary that he would support Christian couples who choose either a vasectomy or tubal ligation. But on the other hand, in the section on these specific BC procedures, he makes reference to a man in his church who was an elder candidate, who had had a V years earlier, while he was a non-christian.
Driscoll goes on to state that the man underwent a V reversal before becoming a pastor in the church, in order to set a good example.
There are plenty of out in the open issues, that are not disputed, to criticize MD for without having to resort to ones in question like this.
Rest assured that my radar is on alert. But for now, at least, this particular congregation has not gone party line on all things. If we moved to a new city, I would avoid any church associated with A29, just as I would be inclined to avoid all SBC churches, even though there are some reasonable ones out there.
We had a great time together! I updated her on some of the latest developments on the blog, particularly with regard to Mark Driscoll since she heard him speak in person on her college campus almost three years ago. Alan No apolgies necessary. In fact, you have backed it up with this which is sufficient to raise suspicions.
I am absolutely overwhelmed by the horrific stories that have just come onto my radar screen. May God have mercy on those who are abusing our brothers and sisters in Christ!
There is no single side to the memory of Joe Paterno any more than there is to any other person. He was good and he was bad. He did great and wonderful things for hundreds and thousands of people, and he failed miserably in a moment of great need. But beyond this is the reality of eternity. Defining the reality of Joe Paterno cannot be limited to the space between birth and death but must be recognized as eternal.
Complicated would apply to people like Mark Driscoll and C. It certainly applies to me. Deb…feeling deeply troubled by these stories…i guess i now know what would have happened had we submitted to meetings.
I also am pretty sure now how all friends cut contact with me at the same time. Dying to email someone and see if i get one of these canned responses…. I am sick and tired of sycophants making excuses for Driscoll and Mahaney. These men know what they are doing. Deb, I think you missed it. Neither can you or I. Might have been emails, though. Bridget — rant appreciated! I hope we have all learned a valuable lesson about not covering up the sins of others.
They MUST be exposed. Jimmy So, we sit around and wait? Jimmy, there are good things found in most people. I am sure Bernie Madoff did some good things. So, we let him get away with everything else? Maybe, wait until eternity? Joe Pa ignored children being terribly abused. The definition of character is what you do when you think no one will find out. And that failure will mar his legacy. If he was a Christian, then he is in heaven.
But it is important to remember that Jesus warned those who would harm these little ones that it would be better to have a millstone tied around their neck and be dumped into the abyss. Deb Jimmy obviously does not know how we got our start.
This is our 1 hot button issue. He would be smart to drop this one. I think a former church wish they had…. Free of M H re poll Yes. Include Acts One of those 2 religions involves unbridled tongues. Pr I read about a Katana swordmaster in Japan. He has no son so he trained his daughter instead.
She moves with a willowy speed that is uncanny. I wonder how I will sleep tonight….? Those of you who are Christians…where are the Bereans? I waded into the Targum Neofiti article — could apply to many others than just Driscoll. The discussion in comments is way beyond me in scholarly-ness.
Some celeb preachers erase much more…disregarding Rev 22 warnings. Sure look alike. The Targums are rabbinical commentaries on OT texts and other texts. Jo Paterno did what the law and his employer required of him — he sent the younger man who had seen the event to the authorities at the University, including the man over the university police, to report what the younger man had seen. Paterno had only hearsay, not legally admissible and, since the source was an adult, not something for which he should have been held accountable.
Paterno also called those to whom he referred the younger man to tell them to meet with him and listen to what the younger man had to say. Paterno did what he was supposed to do. I have some experience in dealing with abuse cases, and I can tell you that the usual weak link is the initial reporter, who fudges what he shares with the proper authorities, unless there is another who has observed the same thing and he knows there is corroboration.
Why is Paterno pilloried for telling the younger man to go to the authorities and report what he saw?
Because JoePa was the real influence at Penn. He was an icon and had he taken it more seriously and made the call himself even if the witness was found to be in error perhaps fewer little boys would have been sodomized and their lives ruined forever. JoePa obviously did as little as he could get by with. If we are going to err, let us do on the side of protecting children. Even if it means jeporadizing careers and the worship of fans. Eagle I knew this story might upset you.
You were treated as badly. There is no excuse for this garbage. There is only one bit of encouragement that I can give you. Throughout the ages of people using churches, along with every other institution, for their own agendas, there has remained a remnant of the faithful. In this day, such folks gather in the blogosphere, much to the consternation of those who are used to having the only microphone. Muff Sadly, there are those women who buy into this gullible nonsense and allow themselves to be relegated to the back burner, occasionally being trotted out to pretend like all is well with their famous hubby.
Time will tell…. Well, good luck with that. Arce He said the right thing. However, it stopped there. It reminds me of a former church.
Legally they followed the letter of the law. Ethically, morally-they were deficient in my opinion. When the lives of children are at risk, it is time to take out the sword and go to their defense, even if it means taking the hits in our personal lives. Southern Discomfort Your comment illustrated something we have been trying to ram home since this blog started.
There is no functional difference between any hyper-authoritarian group, regardless of their belief system. These people preach theology but it makes not one bit of difference in their body politics. Where is the radical love and unity that Scripture seems to speak of? I had another debate with our youth pastor that seems enamored with MD even though he is a nice dude with no piggery you see in MD.
He continues to excuse his badness by telling me he is a complementarian and is hung up on gender roles. I brought up the false teaching about the eternal subjection of the Son to the Father and the eternal state of childishness for the Holy Spirit IOW the Holy Trinity is being dissed by these folks in order to justify their false teachings. Even when I said the different but equal was the same old Jim Crow separate but equal but the colored facillities were always worse sort of equality for women in my opinion.
So, to conclude this tedious post, complementarianism seems to be a self-serving racket that men have foisted upon women and MD is their poster boy. Lording it over as the Gentiles do. All we can do is warn people to stop following man and start following Christ. It might mean it is really hard to find a Body of Believers in this day and time because so many are wolves and hirlings. My question is who disciplines Driscoll and delves into details holding him accountable day by day?
No one would dare hold him accountable. Instead they promote him and invite him to speak on their stages hoping they can get such devoted followers, too. DB, I am convinced that once you peel away all the Talmudic teaching that accompanies the complimentarian doctrine that must twist and cherry pick scripture to be believed, it is nothing more than power politics and ultimately about sex.
Driscoll actually has helped more people see this and for that I am grateful. But there are a lot of blind people following him and defending him. I have seen more and more comps say, but what Mark teaches is not really comp.
Again, JoePa reported it to the head of the campus police, which at a state university is a police department with jurisdiction to investigate and report to the DA. He did what he was supposed to do. He referred a witness to the head of the police and called to make sure that they would see and hear the witness.
All that he knew was second-had. If it turned out that the witness was making it up, and JoePa had done anything other than what he did, he would have been responsible for trashing someone.
We tell everyone, report what you know to the police. JoePa did that. How dare you look for some sort of advantage for women.
If the all male powers-that-be decide to interpret the Bible in a manner that favors men and disfavors you, who are you to question? You should rejoice in your lowly position of disfavor as opposed to the favored male. Your unwillingness to do so reveals the deep rebellion in your heart and shows how easily it is for women to be deceived.
My nephew, who is a freshman in college, has told me about this video. He believes that Christianity is certainly a religion, as that term is defined. It is fine to point out the distinct character or essence of Christianity and distinguish it from other faiths.
But to try and score points by saying Christianity is not a religion seems silly. These kind of efforts are what pass today for trying to be relevant etc. Certainly that can be achieved without pandering. In fact, I may even have the verse wrong so can some male here help me out and tell these guys authoritatively what is meant, pretty please. There are far too many good links posted here that lead to other amazing links!
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